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Thursday, October 30, 2008

Religion and the Supernatural (cf. Wesch)

Found a great story below about Hinduism that shows how the religious emic view is cultural integrated with other values of Indian society/culture. It comes from on Mike Wesch's Wiki under the topic of Religion + the Supernatural

He writes: " Religion responds to BIG QUESTIONS: Why death? Why life?"
"The world is much more than what meets the eyes. We experience great sorrows - and great elation. We experience death - We fall in love - and sometimes we have what for lack of a better word we might call "the religious experience" --- all of these experiences are beyond words. And then there is the world itself."

"Where did it come from? It too is beyond words. You can say it is the Big Bang - but what was before that - You can say it was God, Allah, Spiderwoman of the Hopi, Afek of the Nekalimin, any number of thousands of Gods that Humans put their faith in ... but is that just a word we place on something unexplainable?"

"Ultimately the ground of our being is a mystery - as humans we name it by many names ... You have probably heard of several religions - Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam ... there are in fact no less than 5000 religions. Each one as adamant as the others that they have the right answer in their pocket. Great diversity - yet remarkably similar as well. How do we explain this diversity?"

"Worldwide we find that religion expresses, explains, and legitimizes cultural practices, values, and the socio-political order" (Wesch).

INDIA - HINDUISM ... INDRA'S LESSON
"There is a wonderful story in one of the Upanishads about the god Indra. Now, it happened at this time that a great monster had enclosed all the waters of the earth, so there was a terrible drought, and the world was in a very bad condition. It took Indra quite a while to realize that he had a box of thunderbolts and that all he had to do was drop a thunderbolt on the monster and blow him up. When he did that, the waters flowed, and the world was refreshed, and Indra said, "What a great boy am I."

So, thinking, "What a great boy am I," Indra goes up to the cosmic mountain, which is the central mountain of the world, and decides to build a palace worthy of such as he. The main carpenter of the gods goes to work on it, and in very quick order he gets the palace into
pretty good condition. But every time Indra comes to inspect it, he has bigger ideas about how splendid and grandiose the palace should be. Finally, the carpenter says, "My god, we are both immortal, and there is no end to his desires. I am caught for eternity." So he goes to Brahma, the creator god, and complain. Brahma sits on a lotus, the symbol of divine energy and divine grace. The lotus grows from the navel of Vishnu, who is the sleeping god, whose dream is the universe. So the carpenter comes to the edge of the great pond of the universe and tells his story to Brahma. Brahma says, "You go home. I will fix this up." Brahma gets off his lotus and kneels down to address sleeping Vishnu. Vishnu just makes a gesture and says something like, "Listen, fly, something is going to happen." {CLICK ON THE PHOTO FOR INFO ABOUT IT}

Next morning, at the gate of the palace that is being built, there appears a beautiful blue boy with a lot of children around him, just admiring his beauty. The porter at the gate of the new palace goes running to Indra, and Indra says, "Well, bring in the boy." The boy is brought in, and Indra, the king god, sitting on his throne, says, "Young man, welcome. And what brings you to my palace?" "Well," says the boy with a voice like thunder rolling on the horizon, "I have been told that you are building such a palace as no Indra before you ever built." And Indra says, "Indras before me, young man- what are you talking about?" The boy says, "Indras before you. I have seen them come and go, come and go. Just think, Vishnu sleeps in the cosmic ocean, and the lotus of the universe grows from his navel. On the lotus sits Brahma, the creator. Brahma opens his eyes, and a world comes into being, governed by an Indra. Brahma closes his eyes, and a world goes out of being. The life of a Brahma is 432,000 years. When he dies, the lotus goes back, and another lotus is formed, and another Brahma. Then think of the galaxies beyond galaxies in infinite space, each a lotus, with a Brahma sitting on it, opening his eyes, closing his eyes. And Indras? There may be wise men in your court who would volunteer to count the drops of water in the oceans or the grains of sand on the beaches, but no one would count those Brahmin, let alone those Indras."

While the boy was talking, an army of ants parades across the floor. The boy laughs when he sees them, and Indra's hair stands on end, and he says to the boy, "Why do you laugh?" The boy answers, "Don't ask unless you are willing to be hurt." Indra says, "I ask. Teach." (That, by the way, is a good Oriental idea: you don't teach until you are asked. You don't force your mission down people's throats.) And so the boy points to the ants and says, "Former Indras all.Through many lifetimes they rise from the lowest conditions to the highest illumination. And then they drop their thunderbolt on a monster, and they think, 'What a good boy am I.' And down they go again."
This story illustrates some core values of Hinduism:
  • Cycles - Reincarnation
  • Each person has their place (Caste)
  • Subdue individuality - Be humble. These are the Virtues.

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

When I think of religion, like most other people I'm sure, I think of something along the contexts of Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, so on and so forth. No where on that list will you see baseball. And yet there are many religious practices in baseball.
Luck is a defining factor in baseball. I knew batters and pitchers had routines before stepping to the plate and mound, repsectively, but I didn't realize to what extent.
The fact that baseball players have so many rituals shows humanity's need to have something to believe in. I remember a Pentecostal Christian preacher saying everyone has a measure of faith and its just a matter of who or what their putting their faith in. Surely there is at least some truth to this. Batters put their faith in swinging their bat over the plate a certain number of times the same way Muslims put their Faith in praying a certain number of times.
What I found most interesting was how the added confidence in doing these ritual, not doing certain things, and wearing certain clothes gives them added confidence and in a sense does help their performance by helping them focus. Perhaps in the same way believe in certain religious doctrine or code helps people have better character, like the Hindu story teaches humility.

JeffreyLam said...

Jeffrey Lam
Ant1001 TV24A
In Hinduism, the ideas of reincarnation and the caste system seems to provide a sense of social order. The idea that one will be reborn into a better life and into a higher rank if they are good in their present life makes people do what they believe to be right. This is also illustrated in the “Indra’s story.” The indra became real full of himself when made the planet a better place and let his ego get to his head. Upon seeing the ants, the little boy explains how all of them were former Indra’s as he is. This shows that one life he may be all high and might but the next he may end up being at the bottom again.
Religion is also what seems to be a calming for some people as well. When many are under pressure or have a fear of something, they may turn to the religion to calm them. Also many rituals and routines may be used to make one more certain that they will be able to complete what they are attempting. Take a free throw for example. In the NBA, almost every player has a certain routine they go through before they shoot the basketball. I myself play basketball and I too have a small little routine before I take the free throw. I dribble the ball 3 times and shuffle my feet slightly before I shoot. This routine makes me feel like I will be able to make the basket at a higher percentage than if I did not do it. These routines and rituals link into religion such that religion also has practices that can calm one in times of need. It’s like making a free throw but just more important.

Anonymous said...

The concepts of rituals and magic I think have gone a long way to become impossible to notice. Athletes use magic and special rituals because they believe it gives them good luck. In my opinion, you cannot get luck, but you can think you are getting luck and by doing that your confidence shoots up high. Athletes basically substitute the thought of rituals for increased confidence and decreased nervousness. I think by believing in taboos and superstitions that allows one to have bad times especially for people who are involved in sports. If you think too hard about what is going to happen in a game, then you are more likely to play bad in the game. The most unique thing about doing rituals is that all rituals are not even thought about. Many rituals by athletes just happen, they are just a matter of whether or not a person believes in the thought of good and bad luck.
The concept of magic is completely fairytale. There has never been any kind of magical thing that has happen in this lifetime. Everything that happens in life I think is chosen by the path that one takes. Everything that humans do have to do with reaching the end of a journey that you do not control. In my opinion the path of a person’s life will not always go as expected but that is the use of magic in a person’s mind that tells them they control their fate. In my opinion, magic is thought through the mind and gives confidence to a person just like the use of rituals do. Every aspect of rituals and magic builds a person’s self-esteem and I think that is the main use of these concepts that keep sports alive today.

Anonymous said...

Caroline Camilo
TV24A

When a person wants to accomplish something they turn to their faith and hope. Most people have their family to help them, their religion, and their teams to build up that confidence they need. In the world today I see and know many people who only turn to their family and religion when they need help. I, myself, love to thank God and my family any chance I get because I like to appreciate my surroundings, not only in time of neccessity, but also in time of happiness and success.

I agree with Edwin Torres, I believe "there are many religious practices in baseball." Baseball players need to have faith in swinging the bat and scoring a homerun or a hit to get to the base or score. Catholics need to have faith not only in God but also in themselves to be successful in life.

Religion may be important to most people, but without faith, I believe a person will never get any where.

Kashif Iqbal said...

I agree with Caroline when she talks about Edwin Torres and how he explains that baseball players have their special rituals before a game. Many people believe in performing these rituals before either a game or anything new. Every athlete has a different way of performing before a game or practice and builds their own special rituals. Even I do something different before doing something new to feel more confident.
I believe people do these things to build confidence and it actually helps them succeed. Faith is also a part life. Just like religion has their unique difference and rituals that they perform athletes also do it as well so we can say it’s a religion for them. In Hinduism their belief of reincarnation means a lot to them. They believe performing good deeds now will help them in after life and will be reborn hopefully in to a better caste system. Since in Hinduism one cannot move up or down in caste system maybe that’s a reason they have strong belief in reincarnation. I think if one has grown in a strong religion and perform the rituals as a routine it can be hard for them to just stop. They may feel incomplete and lose their confidence. Habits develop in young ages and they can be hard to give up.

Anonymous said...

Crystal Peart
November 6, 2008
ANT1001 TV24A

Reading this made me think of two things that are total opposites. Diversity and Similarity. When it comes to religion, there are many different beliefs that sets that one religion apart from many others. However, when it come to certain acts, one can realize that they are all the same.
In "Indra's story," the reader is shown how a person continues to act once they do something right. For instance, when The Indra struck the monster with a thunderbolt, he realized that his action made the world a better place. When he saw that his results placed him at a higher social rank than the others, his confidence raised and at the same time relaxed him.
This is similar to the ethnography on the rituals of baseball players. The reason is that, some of the players perform certain acts thinking that they will have some kind of good luck at their game. If they actually do play a good game, one notices that these acts become more of a custom as they too are placed at higher social ranks.
All in all, this is why I believe religion, beliefs, rituals, etc. are all diverse based on one's background. People believe in different things and also act in different ways. However, at the end of the day, they are all similar because people do these things in hopes of making a certain aspect of something better.

Nuzzy said...

When I think about baseball, I usually think, bat, baseball glove, Yankees, Mets, innings, and so forth. I don’t really consider the fact that rituals, taboos, fetishes, or magic may play a factor in baseball but the chapter on “Baseball Magic” by George Gmelch really opened my eyes to a new side of baseball. It was fascinating to see that all these players go along with rituals before they play a game, whether it is good luck for them or even the steps taken by them to win victory at a game. The most interesting was the fetish of the number seven by Jason Giambi, it interested me because I always consider seven my lucky number and it was just funny how even though he was unable to get the number seven, he always managed to get the number that added up to seven.

Rituals are apart of my daily life as well. In my religion we call them “Duas.” Duas always help me get through the day and night when I am sleeping. There is this one ritual I perform which is reading a “Sura” or prayer three times, and then I read another two and then I blow my chest three times and it helps me fall asleep and it prevents me from seeing nightmares or bad dreams at night. I don’t know if I just imagine that it helps me but ever since I have been doing that I get good sleep (knock on wood). This is one of the rituals out of the many that I practice which helps me.

NEKALLIN1246 said...

Eileen Burton
November 5, 2008 (Due Nov.6)
ANT 1001 XY24C/Gaunt
4th Year (Marketing)

Chapter 13: Baseball Magic
Chapter 13 talks about the use of magic, the belief in rituals, taboos and fetishes. The
use of magic can help reduce anxieties that are out of the control of humans. “Magical
techniques can dispel doubts that arise when outcomes are beyond human control…the
Trobriand Islanders used magic when sailing, a hazardous activity” (Kottak 183). Not only is
magic evident in other parts of the world, it is also practiced in the United States especially in
baseball. The Trobriand Islanders’ rituals are almost similar to that of baseball rituals.
According to Kottak, “like Trobriand sailing magic, these behaviors serve to reduce
psychological stress.” (183). There are many examples of baseball players using magic such as “
tugging one’s cap between pitches, touching the resin bag after each bad pitch, and talking to the
ball. (Kottak 184). Such rituals reduce many baseball players’ anxieties about performing well
each game. One example as stated by Spadley is that of Wade Boggs’s routine of eating chicken
before every game began when he was a rookie in 1982 and noticed a correlation between
multiple-hit games and poultry plates. (130). Although some rituals seem normal such as the one
previously mentioned, I believe some may be irrational and even obsessive compulsive. One
example I found rather out of place is one of Larry Walker from the Colorado Rockies fixation
with number 3. According to Spradley, not only does he wear the number 33, “he takes three
practice swings before stepping into the box, he showers from the third nozzle, sets his alarm for
three minutes past the hour and he was married on November 3 at 3:33 p.m.” (132).

Works Cited
Kottak, Conrad Phillip. “Mirror for Humanity.” Sixth Edition. Boston, MA: McGraw Hill,
2008. 183, 184.
Spradley, James. “Conformity and Conflict.” Fourth Edition. Boston, MA: Pearson Education,
Inc. 2008. 130, 132.